Category: Let's talk
zoners, lets talk s s i disability funds! do we need a check? so, what if in the very near future they curtail some if not all s s i/s s d monies?
i am posting this to gage the pulse of one of the most volunarable sects of the u s a. along with children, but thats another story and subject. sorry, puffing too much. so, lets talk. the politicians are sure mentioning Privatization or perhaps returning it back to the states. what if?
They will.
It's funny to me how amongst the greatest anti-entitlements groups are the greatest users of entitlements.
Not just the blind, but Southern white so-called God-fearing people are the largest entitlements consumers in America. Entire economies of southern towns would be disrupted by entitlements derailment.
But, since both the blind and these southern 'Po' whites' want it, let's let 'em have it. Weird, because I have acquaintances in real life of the po' white phenomena and then come on here and see the po' blind phenomena, both using entitlements and both claiming others shouldn't.
I can respect working people who for whatever reason oppose entitlements to varying degrees. I think few Americans actually support a totalitarian completely entitlements-riddden system, but many working people support some and not other entitlements systems. But it's pretty foul play to take them and then oppose them for others.
But in all seriousness, the Disability Insurance SSDI will be harder to eliminate than would Supplemental Security Income, because SSI users have not paid into it. I realize the 'paid-into-it' concept is rather a crock for our generation. I was lucky enough to get any for a year when I needed it, but I think there won't be any when I retire. But that hasn't been any secret for a long time.
And, to be completely fair about this, who are we really most concerned about with the Social Security issues? Our parents, who paid into it under the guise they would get it back. We have known differently since childhood, but they did not. And even Bachman recognized this in the Republican debate, saying we have a responsibility to the seniors in this country. That is one of several things I can totally agree with them on.
As to what would happen if entitlements went away? Real working people would suffer in many of these communities, people who provide goods and services to entitlements users: grocery stores, housing, etc. Google around and look at what happens in poor areas when you take away the entitlements. I'm not what they call pro-entitlements, but I do think an analysis of the effects on the working population needs to be considered. The population that services these people. Ultimately, it may prove more expensive to pull this money out of the economy.
Only when I was 20 did I make believe there were easy answers to these types of questions. And honestly, it's not a partisan issue.
I personally find repugnant the poor and blind entitlements users who rail against the public tit they so ravenously suckle at.
That would be like me, a working person, going out and joining one of those hippie so-called anti-work groups ... and still contributing to the corporate machine.
but like the father who says "You beg for it so much, now you're gonna eat it!" I say, give them exactly and entirely what they want, in full, no exceptions. I'm betting the tea party could be just the group to give it to 'em exactly how they want it.
Trouble is, everyone wants to be the exception.
All I know is if they do curtail SSI I'll be screwed unless I miraculously find a job not long after. And while I am indeed working on that people aren't seeming to hire in this area. So in te meantime I submitted a writing sample to a local magazine that's apparently always looking for new writers. Not a whole lot of money to be made in it but every little bit would help.
we are having the same discussion over here in the UK. google wellfare reform in the UK and you'll read what is happening. they're going after something called DLA disability living allowence here in the UK, which helpes those with disabilities with the extra costs of living, such as access tech etc. there is something called ESA which is replacing the old incapacity beneifit, but they are making it so punitive as to be unworkable in so many respects. and that's just the start of the concervitives plans.
I do think, though, that if we are going to keep entitlements, anybody on them except for the mentally unsound should be required to contribute back to their communities.
That could be Red Cross or any other NGO which assists the community, or anything similar.
In America anyway, even the charities get this wrong. When my family was completely down on the luck for the time my business failed, we did seek assistance from NGOs first. First, they really aren't cut out for working people down on their luck, and the woman found my proposition completely out there. They are so accustomed to patrons entering with the foreflipper perpetually held in the out position, she was surprised when I proposed they tell us what we can give them in exchange. She had just got done complaining about spyware and other problems on their computers, something a potential charity user - me at that point - could have fixed. All she'd have need do is check the references first, of course, so as to be sure I was legitimate.
And, if not that, there's always the ever-present grunt work they gotta have done. But even charities are not accustomed to asking for something reasonable, some assistance, in return for doling it out.
I just think society would be better off if we didn't do it as an entitlement, but as an exchange. Quid pro quo. People accept volunteer effort from people they would not otherwise hire, based on their prejudices, but as unfair as that sounds, at minimum society, oor the charity, or whoever, gets something back for their effort.
I bet there's plenty everyone on here, for example, who takes entitlements, could do.
I am still shocked they were so taken aback by my proposal. Granted, beforehand, my pnly experience with them types of places was helping my wife carry in boxes of clothes and things for them. I thought quid pro quo is just human / animal nature, no more no less.
I hate being on SSI, but due to the unstability of my job, I might need it again. I do agree that we should help our community in some way if we use these benefits, but not a requirement, because there are just some that are unable to do anything or else they would be working.
I'm the same way. But giventhe economic situation just now it's pretty much my only option. And the really frstrating part is that even if I wanted to I probably couldn't move since it's almost impossible, even forgetting the restrictions, to save anything.
I no longer get SSI, but DAC, which is part of my dad's Social Security, he's a retired plumber. Thankfully I have a good-paying part time job, so if I were to lose my dad's ss I'd still be okay, but not great. Plus, I'm paying into the system now, which is fine with me. Barring those who just can't work, I think all abled-boddied recipients of entitlement mony should have to contribute in some way. I think that doing some sort of work gives people a certain sense of dignity. Plus, by getting out there, some people, perhaps some of the blind will have some valuable work experience, or at least maybe a few good connections. It really freaks me out to know Social Security will have run out before I need it. I'm not sure how I feel about the privatization thing. I guess I don't know that much about it. I do have a very small IRA, and hopefully after a couple more years of work my employer will match it.
I like rick Perry's idea the Galvistan model. but if it's plain handouts, I like it only if you're working or if you're training to work. handouts shouldn't be for everyone, you have to be doing something to deserve to get them. It's the concept someone brought up about unemployment, forgot who, but I believe any handouts should be that way, if you want money you have to be in school or training so that someday you can pass it forward.
Rachael, it isn't that simple. There are those who have other problems that prevent them from working. They might need a particular drug that allows them to engage in day to day activities but is both to expensive and not able to be counted on to continue to be effective to allow a person to work. If the job they can get doesn't pay enough to replace the government benefit for both medical and living expenses, then they are worse off. I am no liberal by any means, but ideology from either side is just that, ideology is just a point of view and doesn't take into account the flaw in the argument. Whether Perry has a good idea or not, it should be studied and if other plans can be melded to take the best and discard the worst, we will all be better off.
Agreed.
If they are working but don't get enough sure, but they have to be working or otherwise engaging in preworking training. If you need the druggs but don't work or aren't in a jobs training program then get in one before you can get anything.
Rachael, maybe you need a little real world experience. I too at your age was naive to the ways of the world. I think once you get out into the real world and have to compete for a job that can provide for all your needs, not wants, you will sing a different tune. I hope you will never face trying to find a way to pay for drugs that you need to stay alive or to just be able to perform the type of day to day activities required to survive. It isn't get a job and/or training and we will help. Unless how we change how we help people we force them to make a decision to do nothing or do without. This is because you have a threshold below which you get help and above which you lose it completely.
Agreed. It's not and has never been and probably never will be as cut and dry as you seem to think.
You guys can relax, sit back and relax. SSI and or SSDI is never going away. Why? because there are way to many people on it as it is, and if it ever was to be taken away there would be such a revolution in this country! The democrats love to use that as a fear factor in all there campaigns, vote for us or else there going to take your free money away. and the republicans love to use it as a selling point in theirs. The fact is neither side is going to do anything about it! We've herd this crap for the last 20 to 30 years and you know what, SSI and SSDI is still here. The health care law, that's a hole other kettle of fish!
If you're working and not getting enough to pay for it, then yes, but if you're not trying at all you shouldn't get any help, that simpe.